new york state or new york city, rather, have those kind of programs that basically take the millionaires out of giving directly to candidates, and that reduces corruption. they may be able to spend on their own voice, maybe their movies, make their ads, but if we don't have people flying on planes together and feeling that they owe someone hundreds of thousands of dollars for bundling, there's a lot less of that second door, the corruption door, and i think that's where the tangible action can be. >> larry, we -- there are -- there's a littany of scandal that has rocked washington, specifically relating to donors and money. charlie rangel, tom delay, jack abramhoff, jesse jackson, most recently. do you sense, as you do your work, that politicians ever -- there is ever a sense of remorse here or is it more i've got to be less -- i've got to be more crafty in how i do this going into my campaign? >> i think there's a sense of remorse when he got caught, but i think that -- to be fair i think they're put under tremendous pressure that to run a race right now, to run a senat
